The Remaining: Raptured or Captured?

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If you are looking for a movie to watch with your family to stimulate conversation about the “rapture” then this is one with a twist. Unlike movies like “Left Behind” who interprets the rapture as taking the whole dude or dudette and leaving a pile of clothes; this interpretation of the rapture leaves the body and just takes the soul. The evidence of being taken is a steel icy blue coloring of the eyes after the soul is snatched from the body.

The movie is called, “The Remaining” and it challenges other interpretations of the “rapture” and what could possibly transpire when the Most High does not find your name on the VIP list in the third heaven. Before delving into the movie we must discuss the word rapture because to my knowledge that word is not in the Bible. Please correct me if I am wrong about this!

Where exactly did the “rapture” come from then? Well, ahem, a man and it was not Divinely inscribed into the Scripture as from the prophets. So in my humble opinion this means it is up for debate and quite frankly this is a divisive topic. The credit for the rapture goes to John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) who was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren.

Matthew 24:37-41

37 “For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 “For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 “Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41 “Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left

He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism in the English vernacular. He produced a translation of the Bible based on the Hebrew and Greek texts called The Holy Scriptures: A New Translation from the Original Languages by J. N. Darby. It was his interpretation of Matthew 24:37-41 which led him to believe the true believers and followers of Christ would be whisked away before all hell breaks loose on earth.

Controversy surrounding the teachings of John Nelson Darby

Does that make him correct? Well, that remains to be seen. If you think about synthesizing many of the Scriptures in regard to the “rapture” excluding the above mentioned Scripture it could paint a different picture. Remember when Christ returns we will meet him in the clouds? How can this be if we are already raptured? Also, it says there will be a new heaven and a new earth where we will all reside there for a 1,000 years before Satan is released for a time and he is finally chucked in the lake of fire for good.

John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher

Malachi 4:1 tells us the “evildoers” will be burnt to stubble on the Day of the Lord. Which is a kind of an inverse-rapture for the wicked with a very bad ending for them. My point is maybe it is plausible the evildoers will be taken and we will be here? I am certainly not sure about any of this and I do not know how anyone really can be. This is why I find movies like “Left Behind” and “The Remaining” so fascinating.

Movies like these challenge the generally accepted thought paradigms of potential scenarios of the end of days as stated in the Bible. In my opinion, too much emphasis is placed on the “rapture” interpretation because it has caused a deep divide amongst many people. I have been told on Facebook I could only join a group if I only read the King James version of the Bible and believed in the pre-tribulation rapture. They also wanted a certified letter signed by a notary . . . okay, I made this part up but you get the point.

Honestly, this is all rather confusing to me because there appears to be several plausible scenarios based on interpretation of man. . . just like John Nelson Darby. Heck, he could be very well right or he could be very wrong. The point is you choose to believe Jesus Christ was real, believe in Him, and practice His teachings. Then you will know Him and really what is there to worry about after that? Of course, I am open for correction and discussion on this very controversial subject; but, it is movies like “The Remaining” that will help stimulate these discussions.

With that being said, let us jump into this movie and please stop reading now because this will be full of spoilers. The movie starts out with beautiful looking twenty-somethings; meaning attractive faces and no back fat. The director makes sure to illustrate people caught up living their lives having “fun” with no particular emphasis on the Most High or Jesus Christ. It quickly resonates Matthew 24:38 where people will be marrying in the last days and caught with their spiritual pants down when the angels blow the trumpets.

I thought it was extremely creative when the “rapture” occurred because the human bodies dropped dead while the Most High was only interested in taking the soul.  This was a clear Biblical interpretational shift away from taking the whole body and leaving a pile of clothes. From this point it was clearly up to artistic Biblical interpretation on how the tribulation would unfold and with today’s special effects the sky is not even a limit.

Even the alien theme was briefly addressed but this was clearly a Biblical event because trumpets were sounding and fiery meteors and hail fell from the dark skies, as stated by prophecy.  Then the demons came and snatched up people like giant humanoid bats with bone crushing fury. Ironically, many survivors ran to church only to find the pastor to greet them at the door! It was a clear dig at the church today and how even the shepherds do not have a relationship with Christ. As is today where it is really all about the “benjamins.”

What was also interesting was the ideology and mercy of the Most High when it came to those who realized this is all about The Most High. This will all come down to the Most High searching your heart to validate if you are purely submitting and loving Him. People always point to sky when it comes to the Lord but Christ told us the Kingdom is within. The pastor in the movie was left behind because he truly did not know Christ. Meaning he did not have a relationship with Him.

There are many of us here today in the same boat where we can quote Scripture and passionately speak of Christ but our actions prove otherwise. The question is: Do you have a relationship with Him? Are you truly honoring His teachings and is that evident in your behavior? We all fall short because of sin but are you striving to walk the narrow path? These are tough questions and behaviors to maintain but He needs us to not try but to do. I bit that from Yoda.

Zephaniah 1:18

Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to save them on the day of the LORD’s wrath.” In the fire of his jealousy the whole earth will be consumed, for he will make a sudden end of all who live on the earth.

If you are a doomsday prepper this movie is not for you because it will make you realize your investment will not be worth a wooden nickel. There is no where to hide when the Most High allows demons to have free reign over the earth. The demons do not accept cash, credit, or gold. The only way out is through Christ who strangely enough was not mentioned in this movie . . . only God.

I found the acting to be a bit mediocre and the special effects were not spectacular but did the job. I would recommend watching it because my three sons had plenty of questions. I try to be an extremely honest dad with them like when they ask my questions like, “Are monsters real?” I always reply, “Yes, they are!” Seriously, though I made sure they know no matter what happens to our physical bodies Christ promised us a new body and a home with Him in His Kingdom.

My eight year old asked me, “Will it hurt?” and I said, “Even if it does not for long and then you will be with Him.” Christ has a special place in His heart for children and I can only imagine the love He would share with them. If you have time to watch “The Remaining” you will challenge many interpretations to share with other Believers. I do not think this movie should create fear because as long as you “know” Him, He will know you! What I do respect about this movie is it makes it clear choose Christ because the promise of eternal life is the real deal. Amen.


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Michael Erevna is a writer, inventor, solutions architect and independent researcher
of: ancient civilizations, spirituality, mysticism, and Biblical teachings.

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  • rolltide

    Hi, Micheal.
    Yes, the “rapture” is one of the hottest debates among believers.

    Most”pre-tribbers” will say Rev.4:1 is the rapture. But it is clear that
    this verse is John being shown what would happen in the ‘end-times’. I
    guess this is the most “convenient” verse they can use:

    Revelation 4 King James Version (KJV)
    4 Afterthis I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which
    said, Come up hither, and I will show THEE things which must be
    hereafter.

    Clearly this is an experience that JOHN
    had. To say this is the “church” being taken is like trying to pull a
    sweater that is too small for you over your shoulders and down over your
    gut. It JUST DON’T FIT!!

    Thesesame people also say that when we “come up hither”, the Marriage Supperof the Lamb begins, and we are feasting and having a good ‘ole time while all hell breaks loose on earth.

    It’s funny, but the Marriage Supper of the Lamb isn’t even mentioned until Rev.19, which is JUST BEFORE the return of Jesus!

    Revelation 19:7-9King James Version (KJV)

    7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: FOR THE MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB IS COME, AND THE WIFE HAS MADE HERSELF READY.
    8 Andto her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
    9 Andhe saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the
    marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true
    sayings of God.

    So IF the “wife” was taken in Rev.4, how could she have just made herself ready after 15 chapters of hell, (number of chapters between #4 and #19) and what has she been doing SINCE chapter 4 if the Marriage is about ready to begin in chapter 19? There’s that tight sweater AGAIN!!

    If the “rapture” could happen at any moment, like RIGHT NOW, would the
    wife be “arrayed in fine linen,clean and white”? I’m sorry, but I don’t
    think so!

    So how does she become clean and white? By going through the fiery trials of the tribulation. It is FIRE that purifies, and the “tribulation” IS that fire.

    I would add that CI Scofield did in America, what JN Darby did in Europe.
    Folks should do a little research into “Scofield and the Secret SiX”.

    • Hi Rolltide,

      Thank you very much for your input into the rapture. This is exactly my point I believe if people share files we can be pointed to the truth. My point is if we have already chosen and accepted Christ in addition to FOLLOWING His teachings we will know and be on the right side of Him. It is for this reason I refuse to argue about what comes first, the chicken or the egg!

      • Peter Pellerin

        I agree totally Michael. I offered the above only because there is a lot of nastiness in the rhetoric toward pre trib believers these days. I spent to much time listening to Quayle and Lankford.. so I developed a little sensitivity towards that :). Most of the arguments you here from those circles are not well thought out or nuanced.

        We need to come to a place where we realize that both sides of the debate make good points. It is simply not a critical issue to our salvation or in how we live our Christian life, unless we take it to extremes.

        I would say that the post trib view often can cause one to go overboard on the fear/ prepping side of things instead of focusing on living the life that Jesus has called us to live.

        The pre trib view can also cause issues. Even if the pre trib rapture is correct, we need to understand that things could get bad here like they are for Christians around the world and we need to be prepared spiritually.

    • Peter Pellerin

      I do not like to argue about this issue. I do not think it is an essential one. There are a lot of straw man arguments concerning Darby and Scofield.. we must go back to Scripture…

      Here are some thoughts to consider:

      It is also possible that the bride has “made herself ready” for the marriage supper that is going to occur on earth following the return of Christ after He sets up His kingdom. One must not be to dogmatic here until the events happen.

      It is interesting that the first 5 chapters of the book of revelation are focused on the church. Some see the church pictured in heaven singing the song of the redeemed from ever tribe tongue and nation (Rev 5:9-11), followed by the opening of the seals by the lamb (which kicks off the tribulation period (Rev 6:1). It is suggestive that the church is not mentioned overtly again until possibly Revelation 19. There is, however, a shift in focus to the nation of Israel (Rev 7, 11, 12) and judgment on the nations.

      When these things are studied in light of Rev 3:10, it shows that Jesus Himself suggests the pre trib rapture as a possibility. Most people miss an important point in Rev 3:10. Jesus does not just say that He would keep them from or through the events that are coming on the earth, He said He would keep them from the very time of the events:

      Rev 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

      How can He keep them through the events while keeping them from the time of the events? The “hour” here is likely represents the entire period of time. The kingdom of the beast is also said to last for “one hour” (Rev 17:12). So why, then does Jesus promise to keep some from “the hour” of trial that is coming upon the earth to test those who dwell on the earth. If you study 2 Thess 2, and 1 Thess 5 carefully, you will note who the time of testing is for. It is not a period for the purifying of the church. It is a time of testing for the Christ rejecting nations and a time to wake up the remnant of Israel who up until that time has continued in a rejection of their Messiah.

      Again, not looking to argue about or divide over the issue.. just adding some thoughts for consideration.

      Blessings,
      Peter

      • rolltide

        Jesus’ prayer for His disciples and for FUTURE disciples:
        John 17:15
        15 I pray NOT that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

        • Peter Pellerin

          rolltide,

          Yes, we are not to be taken out of the world during the church age. We are to faithfully endure persecution during this age. However, this Scripture says nothing about whether or not the church will be here during the 70th week of Daniel. Many believe that there is still a 70th week for Israel (Dan 9:27) that has yet to be fulfilled. When you compare Dan chapter 7 and Dan 9:24-27 with the references in the book of Revelation, it really does paint a picture of a future 7 years period (1 week of years) that has yet to be fulfilled for Israel. It is simply the most straightforward interpretation of these passages. Many have come to the conclusion based on these passages and the strong hint of the removal of the church in the book of Revelation (and switch to a focus on Israel in the same), that the church will not be here during that period.

          I do not believe the above Scripture (Joh 17:15) says anything about God’s future plans for the church/ Israel and any distinctions that there may be in His plans for each. In reality, the the timing of the rapture relative to the 2nd coming is decided not by quoting individual passages, but by determining a view of the church/ Israel relationship. Once this is settled, then you can attempt to put the other Scriptures in the appropriate context.

          I think a post trib rapture may be correct, but I think a pre trib rapture solves more interpretive difficulties and is more likely correct. I am not dogmatic either way. I have come to the conclusion that anyone who is dogmatic about this issue does not really understand the Scriptures and the interpretive difficulties involved. Both sides have difficulties.

          Blessings,
          Peter

          • rolltide

            Peter, Read Dan. 9:24 AGAIN. Who is it talking about; Jesus or the AC? It is talking about JESUS. When does IT STOP talking about Him and change to AC?
            The 70th week came after the 69th.
            Didn’t Jesus have a 3-1/2 year ministry before He was “cut off” in the midst of it? Started at age 30, dies at 33 1/2.
            READ AGAIN the 6 things Messiah was to do in verses PRIOR to 27.
            AGAIN, WHEN DOES IT STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM AND CHANGE TO AC?
            This scripture has been twisted. It’s ANOTHER case of the “tight sweater”!

        • j

          Rolltide,

          It appears that you studied the scriptures. I do agree that we (i.e. the true Body of CHRIST) will see tribulation. Therefore, we are not going anywhere yet (John 17:15) until the true Body of CHRIST goes through the cleansing fire first (see John 16:33 “These things I have
          spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall
          have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”).

          In regards to the rapture discussion, JESUS said in John 6: 39-40, 44 that HE will raise us up on the last day. Here are HIS Words:

          39 And
          this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath
          given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the
          last day.

          40 And
          this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the
          Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise
          him up at the last day.

          44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

          When is the last day? Let’s look at 2 Peter 3:8 “8 But,
          beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the
          Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”

          In Genesis 1, GOD spoke the world into existence in six days and rested on the seventh day (See Genesis 2:2). It is my understanding that the 7th day is the millennial reign of CHRIST on earth. Therefore, HE is bringing HIS Kingdom on earth for 1000 years. In conclusion, I don’t know why some people think that we are leaving planet earth to go to heaven and to avoid tribulation?. I hope that people will search the scriptures as HE instructed us in John 5:39 “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life:” The LORD revealed HIS plans for us through HIS Words.

          • rolltide

            Hi, J.

            It’s hard to say FOR SURE how long the span of time is termed “day”.

            Yes,
            TO GOD, one of our 24 hour days is like a thousand years and visa
            versa. God is INFINITE, whereas we are finite. There’s NO time with God.

            I think we may have a clue as to what Jesus Himself considered a “day”:

            Luke 13:31-32King James Version (KJV)

            31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.

            32 And
            he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils,
            and I do cures TODAY and TOMORROW and the THIRD DAY I shall be
            perfected.

            We
            know Jesus began His ministry at age 30, and died at age 33…plus.
            Here Jesus seems to be referring to a day as a year, 365 days. He was
            telling the Pharisees all that He was doing in His ministry, and also,
            is prophesying of His own death and resurrection on THIRD DAY, or third
            year. (“shall be perfected”)

            No one has all the answers. While we are clothed in the flesh, we “know IN PART” and “see through a glass darkly”.

            Personally,
            I think on the “LAST DAY” is somewhere within a 365 day year. No one
            knows the EXACT day and hour, but we are COMMANDED to “know the season”.

            Like
            I said, no one knows FOR SURE, but this is MY OPINION; it’s not a “thus
            saith the Lord”. We just have to keep searching the scriptures and pray
            for the Spirit of TRUTH to guide and teach us. The downfall of the
            modern “church” has been the failure to “search these things out to see
            if they be of God”…..like the Bereans.

            If
            I may, I’d like to interject something here about what you said about
            the 1000 year millennial reign of Christ….. ON EARTH. At the point of
            the first resurrection, when “the dead in Christ rise first and those
            who remain will be CAUGHT UP”…..; does Jesus come down, or do we GO
            UP? We go up, right? Why would we GO UP, just to turn around and come
            back for the 1000 year reign?

            It’s
            my belief that the 1000 year reign will be IN HEAVEN, and during that
            time, the earth and the inhabitants are enduring the WRATH OF GOD. (We
            are NOT appointed unto wrath) It gets so bad that eventually, all the
            earth and it’s inhabitants are destroyed by fire. The Bible says there
            will be a new heaven and new earth and NEW JERUSALEM will come down. The
            Bible also says the the bride of Jesus IS New Jerusalem:

            Revelation 21:1-2King James Version (KJV)
            21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

            2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, COMING DOWN from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

            New Jerusalem is also the “holy city” of God, NOT earthly Jerusalem. The Bible says the earth is God’s FOOTSTOOL!!
            The Bible says those who burden themselves with earthly Jerusalem will
            be “cut to pieces”. I would just rather put my hope in New Jerusalem and
            stay in one piece, wouldn’t you?

            But
            it is my belief that the 1000 year reign of Christ will NOT be on
            earth, but keep digging for yourself, TRUST NO ONE who tries to TELL YOU
            what these things mean.

            God bless you, J

          • j

            rolltide,

            Kudos to you on your knowledge of the Word. In response to the statements, I searched the
            scriptures again and found the following that may offer some clarification to
            the both of us.

            First, I agree with you that GOD is infinite. If you don’t mind, let’s take a look at John
            2:19 “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this
            temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
            In this passage, it appears that 365 calendar day is being referenced
            just like Luke 13:31-32. HE is not
            talking about raising up a building in 3 days.
            The Jewish people misunderstood. In
            John 6, JESUS is talking about everlasting life and bread from Heaven. It is my belief that HE is talking in
            spirit. Therefore, I believe that the
            definition of a “day” in John 6 is1000 years versus 365 calendar days because
            it is consistent with the content in this chapter.

            Second, I agree with you that JESUS began HIS ministry about
            30 years (see Luke 3:21-23). Since JESUS
            had 3 ½ years for HIS ministry, Satan will have 3 ½ years for his wrath (called
            the great tribulation). See Revelation
            13:5 “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking
            great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty
            and two months.”

            Three; I do agree that no one has
            all of the answers but we can still pray, fast and search the scriptures. GOD Bless you and your family for searching
            the scriptures.

            Since it was asked why would we go
            up and come back down for 1000 years, I really don’t have the answer
            there. However, the scriptures state/imply
            that GOD is bringing HIS Kingdom on earth for 1000 years (i.e. the 7th
            day HE rested stated in Genesis 2:2).
            Please share your thoughts on Isaiah 9:6-12.

            6 The wolf also shall dwell with
            the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the
            young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

            7 And the cow and the bear shall
            feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw
            like the ox.

            8 And the sucking child shall play
            on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the
            cockatrice’ den.

            9 They shall not hurt nor destroy
            in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

            10 And in that day there shall be
            a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the
            Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

            11 And it shall come to pass in
            that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the
            remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and
            from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath,
            and from the islands of the sea.

            12 And he shall set up an ensign
            for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel,
            and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the
            earth.

            Could one imagine a world where a
            lion shall eat straw like an ox? Did the
            Prophet Isaiah have a vision of heaven on earth??? Sounds like a very peaceful and joyful time
            on earth to me. We can also go to
            Revelation 20:4-8.

            4 And I saw thrones, and they sat
            upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that
            were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had
            not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon
            their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a
            thousand years.

            5 But the rest of the dead lived
            not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first
            resurrection.

            6 Blessed and holy is he that hath
            part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but
            they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand
            years.

            7 And when the thousand years are
            expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

            8 And shall go out to deceive the
            nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather
            them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

            When satan gets sentenced for a
            1000 years, he is then loosed again on the earth to deceive the nations again (Revelation
            20:8). So, it seems that versus 4
            through 8 is talking about the 1000 years on earth. Do you agree?
            We know that satan was kicked out of heaven in Luke 10:18 (And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall
            from heaven.). See also Revelation 12:9
            (And the great dragon was cast out, that old
            serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was
            cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.). Therefore,
            I don’t believe that satan will be let back in Heaven again. In conclusion, we are still talking about the
            earth in Revelation 20.

            It is my understanding that the
            Wrath of GOD is separate from the Wrath of satan (i.e. the great tribulation). We both know that HIS Angels will be the
            reapers in the Wrath of GOD.
            Furthermore, we know that the true body of CHRIST will not be appointed
            unto wrath. Could it be that the Wrath
            of GOD is also 3 ½ years? If this is
            true, then let’s add the Wrath of GOD’s time with the wrath of satan. This totals 7 years which is why some believe
            that the great tribulation is 7 years versus 3 ½ years. However, the Bible said the great tribulation
            is 3 ½ years because the Book of Daniel referenced 3 ½ years (see Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the
            waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto
            heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time,
            times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of
            the holy people, all these things shall be finished.) We can also go to Revelation 12:13-14. It also reference satan’s wrath of time,
            times and half a time (i.e. 1 year + 2 years + ½ year = 3 ½ years).

            Yes, Isaiah 66:1 does say that the
            earth is the LORD’s footstool. I really
            appreciate that you touch on new Jerusalem and taking time to share the Word. There is so much to learn here. Thank you for reading. GOD Bless you and your family.

          • rolltide

            Hi, J.
            It is SO encouraging to see someone actually DIGGING FOR THEMSELVES for TRUTH. This is what ALL believers SHOULD be doing. I commend you for it, and I KNOW it’s time-consumming, but think about it; what is it worth for someone NOT to fall into “strong delusion”?

            According to 2Thes.2; it is GOD that sends strong delusion on those who “loved NOT the truth”. For anyone who thinks it’s worth AVOIDING that, they ALSO would be digging, and I VERY MUCH commend you for it. All the time required will be worth it!!!

            You bring up very good points. It very well could be that the 1000 year reign will be on earth. If it is, I really think it WON’T be the earth that we NOW live in. I think it will be the “new heaven, and new earth” that Revelation tells us is coming.

            With all the geo-engineering, and such that’s almost destroyed our atmosphere, and all the “earth changes” that’s taking place right now, it’s very hard to imagine that such a PERFECT world, as described in Isaiah would be possible. But we serve a God who is capable to do ANYTHING. But Peter tells us in his epistle, in no uncertain terms, that this earth and inhabitants will be destroyed by fire. Why would God totally heal THIS present earth, just to be destroyed and replaced shortly thereafter?

            It very well could be that we go through the great tribulation. (the trumpet judgements) Paul says “at the LAST trump” the dead I CHRIST rise, and those who remain will be CAUGHT UP, (raptured) to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we EVER BE WITH the Lord.
            (From there, I think we spend a time away from earth, perhaps this is where the Marriage Supper of the Lamb begins)

            From that point on, (After the last trump) the wrath of God begins on earth, the bowl and vial judgements. I think these end with THIS earth being devoured with fire and destroyed.
            (Personally, I think Nibiru or Planet X comes into play here)
            It very well could be that when the old earth is destroyed, then the New heaven and New earth come into play. This could be when the 1000 year reign begins. It would explain the “perfect world” that Isaiah describes.

            Have you been hearing about the discoveries of new “EARTH-LIKE” PLANETS lately? Could one of them be what the Bible describes? Isn’t that exciting to consider?

            Like I said in my previous comment, all we can do is KEEP DIGGING. I think it is a DANGEROUS thing for anyone to come to the place where they think they have it ALL figured out. In doing so, they stop searching.

            As long as we are in these temporal bodies, there’s ALWAYS MORE to learn. When we get to the point that we won’t even CONSIDER that we could be in error, that is a very dangerous place to be.

            That said, you have given me more things to consider, and I THANK YOU for that. Hopefully, I can do the same for you….ALL IN THE SAME SPIRIT OF JUST SEARCHING FOR TRUTH. It’s nice to be able to do that, rather than ARGUE as many want to do. That accomplishes NOTHING. After all, what is REALLY our motivation; wanting truth or just wanting to be right? ( “Being wise IN THEIR OWN EYES”) I know I just want truth, and I get that same feeling coming from you, even through the “blog fog”!! The days of arguing are OVER. It’s WAY TOO LATE to waste time like that, don’t you agree?

            Thank you again, J for your thoughts and I can REALLY tell you’re doing your homework, and I will consider everything you bring to the table. God forbid that I ever come to the place that I’m not teachable.
            You keep digging, J, as will I. It is SO nice to depend on the ONLY teacher that will never lie to us. But He also blesses us with FELLOW STUDENTS, who are like-minded.
            GOD BLESS YOU for that…..and HE WILL!!!

  • Jeff

    I have been on both sides of this argument, but I have come to the place that I am now convinced it is a real event. Here is why. In the parable of the virgins and the marriage supper, the ones without oil were told to go and buy the oil they needed. How could they do that if the economy was in shambles like we have heard from so much fear porn. The ones that were ready went into the house and the door was shut, meaning they found safety. Also in the 1 Thes 4:17 scripture, Paul commands us to comfort each other with the words that we will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air and be with him forever. What comfort is there in the idea that God will “smack his bride around a bit” through the tribulation.

    The trinity word is also not found in scripture but it is an accepted fact of the function of the God Head. It seems that the new testament folks were anxiously awaiting the return of Christ any day.

    The book is called The Rapture by Chuck Missler

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MEX9F16/ref=oh_aui_d_detailpage_o02_?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    He lays out some compelling arguments that really need to considered

    • rolltide

      Jeff, I think you may want to do some checking into Chuck Missler. You don’t have to dig for it, it’s PLENTIFUL!

  • TB

    Michael,

    Here’s a debate I prefer not to participate in. The ones who Christ chooses in the end will be the ones Christ chooses in the End. We cannot know who they are or under what circumstances that will take place. We can look to scripture for clues, but in the end, God has left it intentionally vague so that Satan and his forces cannot decode the plan. There is a great video about this by Michael Heiser on Youtube which I think is called “What you know may not be what you think” or something like that.

    We also read in the book of Titus “But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and
    strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.”

    Also, I believe the Book of Wisdom or possibly Psalms), it tells us that the hearts and minds of kings are unsearchable. If Christ is the King of kings, how much more is this true for Him. We cannot know what Jesus would do, and to contemplate WWJD is an act of extreme arrogance and conceit, let alone judging other based on what one would think Jesus would do.

    All we need to do is do our best to serve God in the best way we know how and listen for His voice to inspire us. Whatever happens in the End, we will be with Him or not. In fact, He may be choosing people we or some of us completely object to or have shunned.

    It is not for us to know who will be saved and how. We only need to know that it will happen someday and that we can, through our own choices, end up there with Him.

  • Elpisios

    So hey, turns out Darby DID NOT “invent the rapture” regardless of what you hear parroted around the internet or from the mouths of the ammillennial set or others. http://beginningandend.com/what-did-ancient-church-fathers-believe-about-the-rapture/

    Here’s the kicker: God’s going to do exactly what He has planned (and recorded for the benefit of believers, though written in a cryptic manner), and regardless of our personal understanding of the specifics. A careful study of scripture reveals two very different appearings of Jesus at the wrapping up of human history. Worthy of deep study and prayer? Absolutely, as those who love and long for His appearing are given special crowns/rewards in the great hereafter. More importantly, let us be humble, patient, kind, and about out Father’s business. always ready to give a reason for the authentic, real hope within us, and always ready to meet our Father, our Friend, and our Maker at ANY moment, whether by natural death or in the air. -C

  • Ted

    This may be helpful:
    Jesus’ teaching on His second coming:
    http://somehelpful.info/Prophecy/Jesus-teaching-on-2nd-coming.html

  • kittii@sbcglobal.net

    The Fuel Project has similar information on their video series on Revelation. Virginia Patrick has similar beliefs on her web site. http://mysteryoftheiniquity.com/2014/08/13/the-pre-tribulation-rapture-lie/ We were discussing this subject on another blog, that eventually blocked me for no good reason, except she tolerates cults and Catholics. I was on her blog for 2 years. Maybe that’s why she has 8 million hits. https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/taken-the-other-left/ I almost lost my belief regarding this doctrine, when I started asking questions about 9/11 and Israel. I prefer to look at what scripture says. This web site goes into extensive detail on “All” the scriptures relating to the Rapture from Genesis to Revelation. So I’m sticking to it. http://www.rapturesolution.com/beechick/Contents.htm I was blogging extensively on Virginia’s blog, but I’m backing off. People are going to believe what they want to, no matter what the documentation. I hope you will look at some of these links I posted. Virginia never had a harsh or cross word written to me. She never blocked me. Ihttp://mysteryoftheiniquity.com/2015/02/19/the-reapers/